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Should We Really Brag About This? Baby "Preaching"

09.06.2008 · Posted in Preaching

Here is a link to a video of a small baby “preaching.”

Here are the comments of the one posting the video.

“Kanon Tipton Preaching – World’s Youngest Preacher. This is the young grandson of Rev. David Tipton.
The following was written by his brother Devon —This is awesome. We had a powerful move of God in worship service, and Pastor Tipton was debating whether or not to preach. He said something about Kanon, so Kanon made his way to the platform to his poppy (Pastor). Dad just on a whim gave him the mic, and he started preaching. I was on the organ backin’ him up. It was really amazing because he was so sincere, and the whole church was on their feet clapping and backing his preaching up! While it was somewhat entertaining, it was also moving. Kind of reminds me of something I heard someone say one time..oh, what was it…something about train up a child in the way he should go…..:) I believe in that. What happened to the days when becoming a preacher was the most awesome and respected things in the world? I hope it’s coming back. Hope you enjoy!”

I’ll grant that this is cute.  I love children.  I have two precious children of my own and I love them greatly.  I think it’s sweet when children are raised in church (provided that they hear the truth in the church where they attend) and have role models in the church and in their families.

Now, I’m not at all against training children.  I think we do far too little of that.  I will tell you , however, that I have no intention of my 2 year old son getting into the pulpit and doing that.

I’m afraid that this shows too little discernment on the part of the people who are “backing up” the child’s “preaching.”

Why?

1.  Because it is obvious that volume takes precedence over content.  They had no idea what he was saying.  He was yelling, though, (like his grandfather does?) and they loved it.  Yelling is obviously what moves them.

2.  Cute?  Yes, but why all of the “amens” if it were simply cute?  No matter how sincere the cute (and he really is) little fellow was, he was speaking childish gibberish.  Instead of respecting the pulpit (as the person stated), the truth is the grandfather, and all who were involved in encouraging the child, degraded the pulpit.  Preaching is the timeless proclamation of God’s Word.  It is not simply gibberish (articulated by an adult, or babbled by a child), preaching is a straightforward declaration of God’s Word that exposes us to the Scripture and then explains and applies the Scripture to our lives.

3.  It seems that this commentator’s view of child training is lacking, too.  Hitler could move a crowd with his speeches.  Most children who are raised in church  imitate their pastors at some time or another.  Most children imitate their parents and grandparents some time in life.  A child can/will be an imitator withou being trained in godliness.  Here is the question:  Is it not true that child training means that a child is being taught God’s Word, and shown how to walk in it?  Let us not confuse imitation with child training.

4.  Did you notice how that little fellow even did a little strut just like many Charismatic/Pentecostals do?  He’s good at his imitations.  Here is the question:  Does the little boy ever see humility in the pulpit?  Too many preachers strut.  We have nothing to strut about.  Chickens and turkeys do it naturally.  Human beings normally do it because of pride.  Let’s pray that this little boy will have humility modeled before him.

In the end, I’ll probably get some flames for this.  I simply ask that you consider what is most important: Is it the Word of God being faithfully expounded or a high volume yelling and a low-pitched growl?  What sort of model should be set before our children?  Should it be the humble exposition of God’s Word and the humble modeling of that, or should it be a strutting, self-exalting, sign-seeking, feeling-seeking, religion?

The words are harsh, but so are the realities.  We MUST determine what God values most and choose that above the lesser things.

Just musing…

  • Anonymous
    I see that this forum is quite old--but there was only about one or two reasonable posts on here. You guys ought to be ashamed of condemning a baby! What would you have the parents do-stifle the little baby's zeal for God? Ps. 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful...Jesus says to "suffer" the little children to come unto Him and **not to forbid them**. He also issues a sober warning to those who offend little ones...If I were you, I'd be very careful...
  • You need to read this again. The condemnation is of the idea that a
    baby who cannot speak can preach. Preaching is to be articulate.
    Preaching is to be understood. None of that occurred in the "sermon".
    Furthermore, it is a shame that folks such as you continue to post on
    here and use verses out of context. At the same time, you condemn me
    without knowing that I am the father of two precious children who are
    adopted, and would do nothing to keep them from coming to Jesus.
    If I were you I would take my Bible seriously instead of emoting.
  • Jstforyou72
    Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them--is what I thought the Master said. The Lord understands what is going on, this is a baby. That is all that needs to be said. This child obviously already has a burning desire to preach--he and God will work it out.
  • The problem is not that we are saying little children can't come to
    Christ. Not at all. It is understood that Jesus loves children.
    On the other hand, if faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of
    God, what does one learn from the inarticulate ranting of a child who is
    imitating someone?
    Why all of the "Amens" and "Hallelujahs" when this little boy is
    preaching. Paul stated that the trumpet must give a certain sound and
    that we must speak words that can be understood if we are to be effective.
    Far from being an issue of keeping little children from Christ, this is
    an issue that shows great concern for the preaching of the Word. Sadly,
    those who allowed this child to do as he did failed to take that into
    consideration. He was not preaching. Preaching is articulate,
    discernible, and based upon the Scriptures. None of that is found here.
    Yes, let the little children come. Train them and teach them. Do so,
    however, in a manner that will show them respect for the Scriptures.
  • pastoralmusings
    Brannen,
    Thanks for stopping by and commenting. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders for one who is nine years of age.
    My God bless you.
    Jason (The Pastor)
  • Brannen Earnest
    PastoralMusings,
    On this I agree with you all the way with you on everything. One thing, I think it is adorable for little children to act like their preachers, but... really this kinda went too far. A great preacher that's met his reward by the name of G.C. Roper said that going like that could lead to blastphemy. Forgive me if I spell wrong I'll admit i'm only 9...But i've been washed by the blood. My mom tells me I used to preach. I'm sure I was cute but i'm holiness. I showed this to some friends tonight and they said that little child was filled with the spirit of God. Really I can't say I agree. All he was doing was just babbling imitating his grandfather. For those of you who send bad feedback just think to yourself. Does this little cutie really know what he's doing? And a response to Pastor Johnson, I'm really not sure that it says It so bare with me if it doesn't I believe you should be filled with the holy ghost to preach.

    Brannen
  • Brannen Earnest
    PasturalMusings,
    On this I agree with you all the way with you on everything. One thing, I think it is adorable for little children to act like their preachers, but... really this kinda went too far. A great preacher that's met his reward by the name of G.C. Roper said that going like that could lead to blastphemy. Forgive me if I spell wrong I'll admit i'm only 9...But i've been washed by the blood. My mom tells me I used to preach. I'm sure I was cute but i'm holiness. I showed this to some friends tonight and they said that little child was filled with the spirit of God. Really I can't say I agree. All he was doing was just babbling imitating his grandfather. For those of you who send bad feedback just think to yourself. Does this little cutie really know what he's doing?

    Brannen
  • pastoralmusings
    Pastor Cranford,
    Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I feel sure that you are sincere in what you have to say. I think I can take note of a desire to honor the Lord Jesus Christ in your tone (if a typed message can have a tone :-) )
    That being said, I do not intend to condemn the child and the grandfather. What I am trying to do is impress upon us that what is most necessary. What is most necessary is that our children be trained in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. I do hope that is happening in the life of this child. I do not know if that is the case. What I do perceive is that there is a lack of understanding of what preaching truly is in the crowd that goes wild about a little baby imitating his grandfather. True, it is a high form of flattery. The question is, should this young child be given an amen? After all, even Paul stated that one could not say "amen" if he did not know what was being said. The crowd obviously thought the boy was actually preaching. What's wrong with that? Preaching is God's way of having His Word taught, explained, and applied to our lives. If what is said cannot be understood, preaching has not truly occurred.
    If the little boy were at home, we could get excited. For him to be given "amen's" while he's cutting a shine in the pulpit is not something for us to get excited about.
    This post has nothing to do with the cessation or non-cessation of charismatic gifts. It has everything to do with the plain, straight-forward, intelligible, preaching of the Word of God.
    Why not sing another hymn? Why not pray? Why not seek another move from God as in days of old? That is what we need. The truth is, however, historically, revivals have come as a result of the preached Word of God. Revival has come when God's Word was plainly preached. Then the tears flowed, hearts were melted, sinners repented, and saints rejoiced.
    Yes, let's long for the good old days to come again. Let's long for old-time, Biblical, expository preaching.
    I trust that will help you understand where I'm coming from.
    Thanks for the prayers. We all need them.
    In Christ's Grace Alone,
    Jason (The Pastor)
  • pastor cranford
    dear pastor jason,

    I find it troubling that you would be so harsh in your condemnation of the child and his granfather. I understand your scriptural opposition but I do not understand the urgency with witch you attack this happenstance. With all the church is facing in these evil and wicked times, what is the harm in the child imitating the fire and tenacity of his granfather. And what harm are the people doing in encouraging it. It is generally accepted that children learn best through playing. It is also accepted that imitation is the highest form of flattery. This child's infatuation with the church that he attends and the things of God is neither unhealthy or unholy. I would daresay it is a foreshadow of things to come. I have 4 children who did the same thing growing up. They all assists my in the ministry now. They are musicians and preachers and youth workers. They are walking in the destiny that God ordained for them from the foundation of the world. Your knowledge of scripture is impressive. However, I hope your head knowledge does not surpass your heart knowledge. I think that there are deeper issues at stake here. I'm guessing that you are not a pentacostal preacher(thus the criticism of "emotionalism"). You probably have never spoken in toungues or interpreted toungues. You most likely believe that people who do these things are misguided in their beliefs. Have you ever seen children pary for other children and miracles take place. Have you seen the book of acts manifest before your very eyes. Or are you one of those preachers who believe that "that which is in part has been done away with". I believe this child preaching or groaning and the excitement surrounding it is an offense to the dead dry religious philosophy that has many of our young people leaving the church for more exciting and exuberent avenues. If we are not allowed to get excited about this child's actions, then what would you have us to get excited about. You probably want us to sing another old hymn and prayer another rehearsed prayer and wish for the "good old days". I appreciate the forum. If I am wrong( and I'm sure you believe I am)then say a prayer for me.
    I will likewise be praying for you.
    be blessed!!!!!
  • pastoralmusings
    Shawn,
    Thanks for stopping back by.
    You make a categorical mistake when you compare "speaking baby talk" to a baby with preaching. Those are two very different things. Goo-goo ga-ga are meaningless and are not truly intelligent communications of thought. Preaching is intelligent communication of thought.
    The groanings of the Spirit are related to prayer, thus your argument is irrelevant, as it is using Scripture out of context.
    I am not against volume in preaching. That was not my point. You mistake my words, or twist them. I stated that he seemed to think that volume was important and that the growl was part of preaching. One can preach the Word without both, yet that was what the baby seemed to have learned...that preaching was the growl and the volume.
    Again, when it comes to the spoken word, you mistake what I say. I did not say the spoken word only. You have built a straw man to tear down. The problem is that your straw man is not my position. Sure, God is sovereign. God is also sensible. His ways are not our ways, for sure. On the other hand, God uses intelligible communication. That CANNOT BE DENIED without rejecting Scripture. After all, the only communication that Scripture reveals to us is intelligible communication. I have not put God in a box. I seek to glorify Him by the means which He has ordained unto His glory. See Ps 138:2 for one example.
    As far as the issue of "out of the mouth of babes", and "a little child shall lead them", let it be known that even in those cases one must be able to intelligently communicate in some manner...which would require words, logic, reason, etc. It will never be unintelligible.
    Shawn, with all due respect, I ask that you stop acting on your emotions and go to the Word of God and seek the truth.
    Isa 8:20
    "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
    In Christ (The Word of God Incarnate) Alone,
    Jason
  • Pastor Shawn Johnson
    Dear Jason,

    I answer these questionnaires and such, for knowledge sake, and not for debate as to who’s right or wrong. As for the baby language, you did it with your kids, if you have any, saying "goo-goo-ga-ga", and remember they spoke in words that only you could understand, although that particular statement was done in fun.
    As for the growl in his voice, the Bible says that He understands every moan and groan and the Holy Spirit interprets it, and tells God what it means. When I am teaching The Word, I'm quiet,no "growling", I'm of a quite spirit. But Brother, Pastor, on a Sunday morning, may I may scream, holler, or sing The Word with excitement. No one goes to a football game, and when their favorite team makes a touchdown, they don’t holler. So, when Jesus made a touchdown for me over 2000 years ago on the Cross of Calvary, and I think about that, I'm like the little baby, I want to growl!
    My last comment, if it has to be a spoken Word, what did Jesus write in the sand? You are right in your comments, but you are wrong in your understanding that God is Sovereign, and He can do what He wants to do, and that He thinks outside our box. I put you in the category of having the knowledge of God, but denying the Power thereof.
    Oh yeah, I forgot, the Bible says "Out of the mouth of babes" and "That a child shall lead them." I'm sure you know where these scriptures are found.

    May God Bless You,
    Pastor Shawn T. Johnson
  • pastoralmusings
    Pastor Shawn,
    Thanks for writing.
    I obviously disagree with you.
    I would also state that there is no "baby language" in the sense of it being known from one to another. The whole end of preaching is to make God's Word known.
    We can indeed be thankful that there is something positive that is being learned by a child. On the other hand, this little baby has learned that preaching should be done with a certain "growl" to the voice, and that volume is important. That is not praiseworthy. In fact, it is not praiseworthy in the one from whom he learned it, either.
    God is not glorified in that which is unintelligible and has no true end. The child was simply mimicking that which he had seen. There was no Christian content, no Biblical content, and no godly aim to what he did. There's no way that there could have been. He is a child who is not of age to reason. He only imitates as best he can.
    Let's hope and pray that God will use him in the future. In this "sermon" he was not used of God.
    Incidentally, the words spoken by the dumb ass, as well as the words spoken by the angel of the LORD in the burning bush were words that could be understood. Your illustrations prove my point, but do nothing to support your contentions.
    Please do not support such carelessness in the pulpit. Exalt Scripture. That is the only way that God is going to be glorified. He gets His glory through the declaration of His Word and faithful obedience to Him through it. We have Biblical support for that, but not for a childish babbling and imitations of a preacher.
    In Christ alone,
    Jason
  • Pastor Shawn Johnson
    Hello,

    I am disturbed by the comments I have read. The Word clearly states, that you should be qualified to Pastor a church, it also says that someone in their youth should not go into Pastoring, but it does not say at what age you can start preaching. Should we brag about this baby preaching, YES! I am sure that Elvis Presley’s, mother and father did not understand the first words that came out of their sons’ mouth when he started singing. Michael Jackson, or Barbra Streisand either, but I bet their parents cheered them on. I’m sure this baby is mimicking what he has seen, but who’s to say that God did not call him? We tend to think that we make preachers, with our theological opinions and Seminary teachings. Being in the bible days that Jesus used a jack-ass, and a burning bush to speak to his people, I'm sure He is using this baby, because in the end, all that matters is that God gets the glory. In evil times like this, we need to be cheering on any baby, boy, girl or youth doing anything toward Christianity or anything positive for that matter. We have hate groups with young people preaching there mess, drug dealers with our youth selling their mess, Pimps with young prostitutes selling their body, and I'm sure they get encouraged every day. And who’s to say that is little baby is not speaking to the other babies in baby talk, because God can do all things. Remember "My ways are not your ways". Also there is no searching to his understanding.
    Thank You and God Bless,

    Pastor Shawn T. Johnson
  • pastoralmusings
    M.S. Smith,
    Thank you for stopping by and commenting.
    There is indeed a need for us to apply Scripture to this and all situations.
  • M.S Smith
    Dear Pastor, I agreee with you as well. I just had this emailed to me by a friend. They were convinced this child was "moved by the Spirit". I explained to them plainly how to see precedent set by the Word of God and how there isn't any for this child "preaching" in scripture. Also he's far from fulfilling the qualifications for those preaching and teaching spoken to Timothy and Titus by the Apostle Paul. May Gods people study His Word, pray and think. These are perilous times and we need to know the truth and not be afraid to speak it. Thank you for sharing your wisdom so boldy yet in love.
  • pastoralmusings
    deldobuss,
    Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
    I'm glad that I'm not alone in my feelings about this.
    There's too much shallow, emotional, sentimentality as well as too much neglect of the Scripture.
    We can do without that sort of display in our pulpits, for sure.
    Just give me someone who can preach the Bible. If he wants to get excited and yell, he is welcome ( I do that, myself). On the other hand, let him preach the Word, whether he yells or whether he doesn't.
    Jason
  • deldobuss
    It is ridiculous and distracting from the true message. I have a feeling the people clapping and saying Amen simply live for a worship of emotional and perceptual highs. True worship involves the exposition of the Word of God, not a "new revelation" or interpretation of something only they can understand. God desires our minds as well as our hearts, and wants us to use reason when studying his Word.
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